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the lillie's of langton the smithy about 1900 some time after the last lillie blacksmith left the village http://www.maccosmeticsoutletsonline.com peter lillie and margaret s simpson were married on the 19th of july 1782 at coldingham, he then went on to became the first lillie blacksmith that i have been able to trace at the village of gavinton during the halcyon days of the langton estate. he must have literally been a journeyman blacksmith, which may be the reason why their children were born in various parts of berwickshire. from 1690 up to peter lillie & margaret s simpson john lillie & alice faldon's six children thomas lillie, catherine redpath & elizabeth thompson william lillie & jane bone john lillie & alice burn morelle lillie & james sutherland david faldon lillie peter lillie & sarah burnet john lillie & alice burn's six children john henry lillie & ellen douglas thomas faldon lillie william lillie & elizabeth jane baraclough thomas lillie & jane hannah cowen mary alice lillie & thomas william barnfather david burn lillie & annie robson links to other interesting sites modern day gavinton village site the borders family history society the northumberland & durham family history society the history of langton & gavinton dunse history society the ken cookson gallery my business web page oh why couldn't they be famous? by peter lillie why, oh why, couldn't my forefathers have been famous? i would even settle for being locally infamous, but no, all they seem to have been is, well, normal, anonymous, without having left a dent on the record books. it would have been so much easier if they had been at least a little infamous; someone may have then deemed them worthy of a foot-note, or even two, in history. don't misunderstand me, i am proud of my family name and set out to trace the family history (i like to think of it as an ancestral oak but, alas, it resembles more of a family bush badly in need of a liberal dose of manure at the moment) in order that my children, and theirs, would have a certain knowledge of where, and who, they come from. so where to begin? well, logic dictates that you begin with your parents. so like many of you have already done, so i set about questioning my father about everything he could remember - and then set out to prove or verify his recollections as best i could! i felt certain that it would be a logical progression, one father backwards to another, and then another and then another. soon i felt certain i would have traced them back to 1066 and beyond, with a bit of luck. was i mistaken!! i thought that the family name, being fairly uncommon, would be an advantage. after all, there are not many lillies in any telephone book i have ever come across. i can only imagine the difficulties of someone called jones or smith or brown. no lillie, i felt, must make things a little easier. wrong again! my family has never been a great one for filling in forms. a recently acquired family trait i thought but, no, it appears to be a long-held family tradition. if a lillie could avoid filling in a form then it appears they did so. we seem to be either secretive or an unassuming clan, to say the least. i know that the registers of births, deaths and marriages only go back to 1837 and, if i am to progress further back than that, i must find the family on the 1851 census as it was the first one to mandatorily demand a place of birth. it seems that my lot decided to avoid divulging this information to anyone and dropped from official sight in 1851. well, then, they must have been `caught' on the 1861 then! well, no, they avoided that one too. the 1871? no, not there either. i throw myself upon the mercy of you dear readers in the hope that you may light a candle in the darkness of this family's past or at least point this fledgling genealogist in the right direction. so what do i know? well, my father was john george mark lillie, born in sunderland in 1926, and is happily still with us but as a source of information is exhausted! his father was william mark lillie born in 1903 in sunderland in woodbine street in hendon. his father was john george lillie born 1880 in lawrence street, hendon, sunderland. his father was william lillie and for the first time we have moved away from sunderland as this particular lillie was born in back lane gallowgate in newcastle in 1849. ok, so far so good, we have progressed from 2003 all the way back to 1849 and only now have left the confines of sunderland and journeyed all the way to the dark regions north of the tyne. sorry, but as a mackem i was born with an inferiority complex and have been genetically pre programmed to be sarcastic about all things newcastle. imagine my distress upon finding i am descended from a geordie; just one of the perils of genealogy i guess, you never know what you may turn up! now, where was i? oh yes, 1849 william lillie is born to john lillie and his wife alice (nee burns) lillie in back lane gallowgate and is christened in saint andrew's parish church. william is the second son, his brother having been born in 1844 and christened john henry lillie. so i have a family who must appear in gallowgate on the 1851 census. well, they don't!! the young couple and their two sons aged 2 and 7 dropped off the face of the earth and appear seemingly nowhere along the tyne or the wear. as john is an engine fitter and is working presumably in the shipyards, where has he and the family gone? i assume he has upheld the family trait of avoiding officialdom and managed to not fill in the census return. i am sure if he had known the trouble he would have given his great great great (never can keep up with how many greats one puts in) grandson he would have diligently filled out the form. and what of his father? well, another thing my family seem to lack is originality: john lillie's father was also called john lillie. it became apparent that a lillie father if called john would call his first born john and his second son william. if a daughter came along she was inevitable called after her mother, a second daughter would be named after the father's mother. anyway, i digress. john lillie was a blacksmith working in aspatria in cumberland in 1844 where he attends the wedding of his son john lillie (at this time also a blacksmith) to alice burns. so we have now crossed the country to cumbria by 1844 but it appears to be a dead end. for whatever reason the lillie family only seemed to be passing through cumbria in 1844 and left little or no trace apart from the marriage of john to alice and the birth of their first son john henry, in december 1844. aspatria parish church as it is today i can only assume that the father john and his apprenticed son john moved to cumbria to work, either in the coal mines or on the new railway going through aspatria about 1844. the work having dried up, they moved on and at least the young john and his wife appear in gallowgate in 1849. again a presumption on my part but, as he is now described as an engine fitter, perhaps he has put his metal working skills as a blacksmith to good effect on the newfangled steam ships being built along the tyne. if so, did he bring his father there as well? my father seems to recollect that the family came to sunderland via bedlington (in fact, he says a cousin of his was the north east tap dancing champion in the twenties and that she came from bedlington) and before that, we were scots, probably lowland scots, but he's not certain. of course, there's also family stories of our family having fought alongside bonny prince charlie but i think it more likely we were actually on the other side, if involved at all. still, i doubt at my rate of progress that i will ever get that far back to prove or disprove the story. anyway, there you have it, a potted history of the lillies so far. if any of you good readers should come across a stray lillie on your travels please

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